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Rates of Patrolling

Just as a little oddity, here's a list of the top 25 patrollers courtesy of larron from RationalWiki. First col is the number of times a patroller manually hit the "Patrol" button. Second is the number of their own edits made while a patroller. Third is the %age of all patrols that are manual.

rpeh •T•C•E• 11:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Elliot shouldn't be considered a patroller, anymore. He's become perma-blocked for like....a year now. Shianni 14:29, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Elliot's block was a 6-month block. He can come back after that. --Rigas Papadopoulos • Talk • Deeds • 14:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Let's hope not. :/. Shianni 15:38, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Elliot is no longer a patroller, as GK removed his rights after the community reached a consensus. Another treat from larron - those figures in graph form. rpeh •T•C•E• 16:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I know, I just wanted to note that he is not permanently blocked like Shianni said. --Rigas Papadopoulos • Talk • Deeds • 17:20, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
P.S. Why I am the only UP is this list? --Rigas Papadopoulos • Talk • Deeds • 17:23, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
It's just the top 25. The others show up on the graph. rpeh •T•C•E• 17:33, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I am in the top 25? This made my day... --Rigas Papadopoulos • Talk • Deeds • 17:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Well there are only 42 people who can patrol edits, plus Elliot for a total of 43. The 18 people not in the table include people like Benould, DrPhoton, Lordsword 8, and Werdnanoslen who haven't been around for years. Not too hard to get into that top 25. rpeh •T•C•E• 17:44, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Still, I believe that 660 manually patrolled edits are expectional for someone so new to the site as me. I've been around for a little more than six months (been active in 4 of them). I am a UP since November 24. I am pretty satisfied. :) --Rigas Papadopoulos • Talk • Deeds • 17:55, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Stats as of 29 August. Just wrote some code that needed testing and this was as good a way as any. rpeh •T•C•E• 10:16, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Wow, 18 whole patrolled edits... I'm so proud :) Kitkat1749 •Talk•Contrib•E-mail 10:26, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
Actually 16. The "Automatic" column is for auto-patrolled edits, ie ones you made yourself. The "Manual" column is for edits where you actually clicked the Patrol link. rpeh •T•C•E• 10:30, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Help Needed

There's a huge backload of patrolling to do, and we need your help. Please can everybody spend a few extra minutes patrolling, even if you just do an extra couple of dozen - even that is a weight off other users. Remember our current revised patrolling guidelines - mark it patrolled and move on. Obviously, revert any vandalism and if something has really messed up a page, fix it, but don't worry about correcting anything unless you really, really want to. I've found cases of vandalism that have been on the site for hours and even days, so every little helps. rpeh •T•C•E• 11:54, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Is there any update on if we're are getting anywhere near the number of incoming edits? --Kiz ·•· Talk ·•· Contribs ·•· Mail ·•· 13:28, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Apparently lots of people find these stats interesting, because I too had something similar set up to port into an Access database that I just tweaked to give these kind of stats. The following stats are based on a combination of Recent Changes and the Patrol log. They're therefore only since November 26, which is the earliest the Recent Changes log goes. The "WTF?" row is an oddity I haven't figured out yet. The "Rollback" row is due to an oddity with the rollback feature - they're patrolled according to RC, but have no entry in the Patrol Log. At a quick check, they all seem to be reverted vandalism edits, just with no name attached to who patrolled the vandalism.
As you can see, unpatrolled edits still form just under 1/3 of all patrollable edits. I think that means we're doing pretty good, but obviously, there's a lot yet to do.
– Robin Hood↝talk 01:02, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Kind of expected, except for Alfwyn finding the time to manually patrol over 8000 edits. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 02:19, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
I should be a bit more active from now on. I started a new job, fell ill, had deadlines to meet at the new job and generally had almost no time for the wiki. Now I'm on a week's holiday and things have settled down a bit at work so I should be able to do more. I can't access the site from work, though, which is certain to slow me down a bit. rpeh •T•C•E• 10:25, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

(←) Just as a follow-up to this conversation, there are roughly 1150 patrollable edits coming in every day (85% of them in Skyrim, Skyrim Talk, and Lore), and that held pretty steady between December 1–20. (I dropped everything after that from the average, since there was a marked drop as Christmas approached.) So, ball-parking it, that means that if each active/semi-active full-fledged Patroller did about 40–50 patrols/day, we'd be keeping up. – Robin Hood↝talk 20:34, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Patrolling the Old Stuff

If any of our Patrollers is looking for a project, I could use some help. A lot of people, whether they're patrollers or not, only look at the recent stuff in the Recent Changes list, so I've taken the opposite approach and made it my job to patrol all the old stuff that's about to drop off of RC (i.e., it's close to 28 days old). By and large, this is easy stuff, since overt vandalism has mostly been dealt with already and Skyrim edits are still working on the "Patrol it as long as it's not vandalism" rule. That said, I am catching a lot of factually incorrect changes outside Skyrim space that need to be verified and/or reverted, unanswered questions, etc., so it's not all easy. And even in Skyrim space, we should try to make sure that content changes at least seem reasonable before patrolling.

For some reason, though, the number of unpatrolled edits more than doubled starting around December 10, and I can no longer keep up with the backlog on my own. I think one or two other Patrollers who can give an hour or so a day to it would really be a big benefit. This would be a great project for anyone who doesn't have Skyrim (since even without the game, you can all but auto-patrol old Skyrim talk, and even most Skyrim article content) or perhaps someone new who's still getting used to what patrolling is all about. Someone who's more familiar with Lore than I am would also be an asset.

If anyone wants to join me, you'll see three links at the top of my Toolbox page: one to get you all the Skyrim edits, one for Skyrim talk, and one for all the rest (which assumes you've selected all spaces except Skyrim in your preferences). By dividing it into those three links, you can see all the old unpatrolled changes, even the ones that go beyond the normal 5000-entry limit of RC. Thanks to anyone who's interested! – Robin Hood↝talk 21:48, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm doing that now and then, but not much since many of those edits are just unimportant in my view. That are those edits, whose content either doesn't survive to the current revision or is changed so much that patrolling just the changes achieves the same in terms of content checking. --Alfwyn 22:01, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
By and large, you're right, at least in terms of Skyrim space, but even there I've caught a number of both fact and formatting issues as a result that have been there for weeks with nobody realizing there was a problem, so I think it's good to have at least a couple of users going through the old stuff. I certainly don't recommend that we all do it, though. :) It's much more noticeable outside of Skyrim space where, for example, I caught this edit that went unreverted for almost a month. I think Oblivion and Morrowind were reasonably factually correct before Skyrim came out, and I find it a bit concerning that edits like that are slipping in under the radar. – Robin Hood↝talk 22:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Edits like that definitely should be addressed. It can easily be achieved by setting up the options to show just those edits. For instance, there were 13 edits to OB:Creatures that haven't been patrolled. While Skyrim is important, the low quality edits that are permissible are easy to patrol. Also, the wiki is for all the games (games people still play). So, I think if patrollers just set up a filter like that, just once a week, then you can get most of them knocked out. elliot (talk) 22:51, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
I've been combing through a lot of the old stuff. I know the focus should be on the Skyrim namespace, but FYI to all the patrollers out there, there are currently just 14 edits left unpatrolled in the Lore namespace. Most of them relate to the language pages, which are entirely outside my wheelhouse, and the rest I just have some quibbling hang-up with and don't know what action to take. But if any other patrollers care to take a shot, we could have a clean slate on lore patrolling, allowing us to better focus on the countervailing evidence to the existence of God that are the unpatrolled Skyrim edits. Minor Edits 04:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Update

I just thought I'd give people an update on how we're doing patrolling-wise since the December 26 statistics. Thanks to the promotion of the various new Patrollers, the amount of patrolling being done every day is now higher than the amount of patrollable edits coming in every day, and we've dropped from 10,012 unpatrolled edits to 7,669 unpatrolled edits. In short, while we're not out of the woods yet, it looks like we are making headway. It probably wouldn't hurt if we had a couple more Patrollers just to pad our lead a bit, though, so if you notice a name popping up a lot while you patrol, and their edits are good, it might not be a bad idea to approach them and see if they're interested in helping out. (Or if you patrol Recent Changes enough to be reading this yourself, and you think your edits are good, nominate yourself.) – Robin Hood↝talk 07:14, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Glitch Exploits

This is a message to all administrators, patrollers – and anyone maintaining the site. We should not allow glitch exploits on articles, at least not at the moment. The obvious reason is that if we invite people to go crazy with exploits, we invite them to add even more bugs that shouldn’t have existed in the first place. So, if you stumble upon something unimportant (like this), please move it to the talk page asap. We can always re-add it later on, but when people start to complain about missing info on glitch exploits, we have to set up some rules. And for now, the only intelligent thing to do is to get rid of them. Thanks. --Krusty 21:55, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Sound Files

Since this is pretty much a Patrolling question, I'm asking it here. What are we doing with sound files? What's the criteria for putting them on pages? I'm asking because a bunch of them were uploaded and linked into Morrowind:Dagoth Ur (god) and other pages (albeit badly), and I have no idea if this is a desirable edit or what. Since they're about to fall off RC, I wanted to check. Thanks! – Robin Hood↝talk 07:05, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

We decided (somewhere) to only include them when they are excluded from the game. At least, that's what we did for Oblivion. There are copyright concerns with others, I believe. See Category:Oblivion-Unused Audio Files. elliot (talk) 07:24, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. There's no indication that those files are unused, so I'll track them down tomorrow to be Prodded and removed from the articles. – Robin Hood↝talk 07:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Moving to "talk" function?

I am in no way a regular patroller but I rather clean up articles than do nothing when I am at work (waiting for "real" work). I frequently find stuff that belongs in the talk page but clearly have been added in good faith. As it is now I rather let these edits wait for some one other to move them as I know of no smooth way to do it (except copy text, undo article, save article, open talk page, start new section, paste, add unsigned tag, save talk page). Is there an easier way? I mean, like the "undo" function. But instead of just wiping it out moving it to talk page instead. More like a "move to talk" button..? Maybe a stupid question but still pretty new around. --Middleofsweden 19:00, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

No such thing exists, at least that I'm aware of. The method that I use is just to cut the text out from the article and move it to the talk page, with any comments you have alongside it. --AKB Talk Cont Mail 19:13, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Ah.. OK. Thanks for the answer. I guess I have to take that approach too then :-) --Middleofsweden 19:18, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


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