Skyrim talk:Elenwen

Killing Elenwen

On the main page, it says something about getting into the thalmor embassy and being able to kill Elenwen after the main quest. I take it you can only get into the thalmor embassy via console command to unlock the door? ForsakenOne 08:14, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, even if you manage to get back inside the Embassy, the door to the living room needs a key to be opened. However, if you start "Season Unending", she will be at the Council, and will follow Elisif and Tullius all the way back to Solitude. That's where I killed her. Twice. 82.243.194.53 10:20, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Helgen

Spotted her along the road leaving Helgen after escaping from Helgen at the start of the game. Cannot be killed. — Unsigned comment by 68.120.198.168 (talk) at 20:02 on 13 May 2012

It already says that on the page: "Rarely, she can be seen outside of Helgen right after the Dragonborn exits the cave with Ralof or Hadvar. She will act like she has met the Dragonborn in the Thalmor Embassy." Kitkat ^{•Talk•Contrib•E-mail} 21:06, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I actually just came across her between Dragon Bridge and Robber's Gorge. (I had just started up a new save and used the coc-command to warp to that side of the map after getting my hands unbound.) I decided to follow her and discovered she was on her way to Helgen. Presumably the game makes her walk all the way from the embassy while the player is busy escaping Helgen? Regardless, she waits in roughly the same spot where she was in the opening cinematic until after the quest "Unbound" is completed. She then starts walking back to the Thalmor Embassy.--89.190.142.176 12:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Name Reference

I heard somewhere on the Easter eggs page that there's a project for adding "obvious references when dealing with NPC names" Elenwen is Sindarin, in The Lord of the Rings mythos, for "star-maiden." Just a heads up, I guess. Falseglory 22:52, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

The obvious references only apply for real-world or in-game languages. References to another fictional language or something that's not a language would go on the Egg page. Vely^{►Talk►Email} 22:45, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

That makes sense, it has already been posted on an older Easter eggs page, seems to have gotten dismissed though, s'all good. Falseglory 22:52, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

From what I'm seeing, the discussion was archived only two days after you replied to that. Since there was no denial of the fact after your opinion was added, if you bring it back up on the Egg talk page with a link to your source (since another person couldn't find it) then it might be strong enough to be included, if you would like to. Vely^{►Talk►Email} 22:56, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

200 years old?

There was a High elf in Morrowind, in a place called Dun-Ahhe, also called Elenwen. Any possible connections? — Unsigned comment by 124.171.115.113 (talk) on 7:57, 7 November 2012‎

Probably not. They probably just borrowed the name from Morrowind, there aren't any definite conections besides the shared name.--Skyrimplayer (talk) 13:25, 7 November 2012 (GMT)

Unused dialogue in Helgen

Unused lines in Helgen confirms the fact that the Thalmor saved Ulfric at Helgen, and that if Alduin had not appeared, were planning to release him.

"General Tullius, stop! By the authority of the Thalmor, I’m taking custody of these prisoners."

"Your Emperor will hear of this. By the terms of the White-Gold Concordat, I operate with full Imperial authority!"

"You’re making a terrible mistake!"

Tulliu's dialogue is missing, but it's obvious from Elenwen's lines that Tullius does know that Ulfric's survival is what the Thalmor want, so he's putting his foot down and demanding the Stormcloaks' executions. I'm guessing Bethesda cut out this exchange from the final game to make the whole 'Ulfric-is-a-Thalmor-puppet' thing more ambiguous, but if you needed the proof, this is probably as good as it's going to get. — Unsigned comment by 109.103.137.94 (talk) at 12:27 on 17 May 2014‎

A conversation between the two can be heard as you pass them while entering Helgen, not sure if its this conversation though. This doesn't prove anything in the Ulfric debate, as the Thalmor have an interest in the civil war continuing in order to weaken both the Imperial forces and the loyalty of the people of Skyrim to the Empire. If Ulfric died then the rebellion would die, thus allowing the Empire to retain Skyrim's men in its army and preserve its strength for a future Thalmor attack. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 13:25, 17 May 2014 (GMT)

Killing Elenwen

So I was running around Skyrim, killing things and collecting stuff, when I came across the Thalmor Embassy again. I have completed the quest 'Diplomatic Immunity', I have just begun the quest 'The Fallen' (have not yet gone to Dragonsreach to call Odahviing), and I have completed the Civil War quest line in favor of the Stormcloaks without triggering 'Season Unending'. I noticed to the right of the main door to the embassy that there is a low wall which the character is usually able to jump over. There is an invisible wall there to keep you out, but you can bypass that by using the glitch through walls trick using a plate or platter. Once over the wall, you can access most areas of the embassy itself, barring the room the party was in, and Elenwen's solar. I was in the embassy when Elenwen came in, and out of curiosity I attacked and killed her. So apparently she is not essential through the end of the quest 'Dragonslayer'. What I'm not sure of is if her essential status ends after you complete 'Diplomatic Immunity' or the Civil War quest line. Has anyone else experienced this? Chocoholic (talk) 10:16, 22 November 2014 (GMT)

I'm years late on this, but according to the game code she is no longer essential after Season Unending is completed. Rasikko (talk) 15:24, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Adding to this after doing some more research: She's killable after the quest "The Fallen" is completed, and this happens if the Civil War questline ends before Season Unending. Otherwise, she is killable after Season Unending is completed. You do not have to wait til the entire main questline is finished. -Rasikko (talk) 17:53, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

After main questline?

I noticed the wiki doesn't mention what happens to her once the main questline is completed. This seems strange considering how minor characters pages usually list what happens to them after a quest, even if they're removed from the game.98.28.235.254 05:56, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Nothing happens to her, she is left behind in the embassy. It's implied in the notes. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 18:24, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Notes "Rarely, she can be seen outside ..."

Is the word "Rarely" correct as I have always seen Elenwen exit Helgen as, or shortly after I have arrived there. It also makes a different start to the game as you have an escort almost as far as Solitude (and adding Half-moon mill, Rorikstead, Dragon bridge and the Thalmor embassy to your map). For me Elenwen did not enter the embassy, but leaned against the side wall and waited for me to get bored. Adsjaldjjfgwetwlla (talk) 14:28, 25 May 2024 (UTC)