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Daggerfall music reference?

I at least once heard the resident bard in an inn playing the 'shop' tune from Daggerfall. — Unsigned comment by 195.241.207.43 (talk) at 21:40 on 24 September 2013

This is almost right, but it's the tavern tune from Arena which was re-used in Daggerfall - compare this bard song from Skyrim with this song from Arena. I heard the song in unmodded Skyrim this morning, so it's legitimate. — Unsigned comment by 130.88.187.238 (talk) on 27 March 2014 19:21 \

This has been on the page before and was removed. I've never played Arena, but I personally don't think the songs sound very much the same. --AN|L (talk) 23:46, 27 March 2014 (GMT)

I just listened to them both a couple of times, and though they seem a little similar, it's not similar enough for me to support this. --Xyzzy ^Talk 01:10, 28 March 2014 (GMT)

Motierre

After you bring Astrid the letter of credit from Delvin during The Silence Has Been Broken, Astrid says "Motierre, you naughty, naughty boy. Hiring the Dark Brotherhood to help you rise beyond your station. " I think this is a reference to the Oblivion Dark Brotherhood quest The Assasinated Man, where Hides-His-Heart says to another Motierre (Francois) "The Dark Brotherhood? Oh, you have been a naughty boy, Motierre, haven't you? ", given the fact that they are both Dark Brotherhood quests involving people of presumable the same family. --AN|L (talk) 17:59, 11 October 2013 (GMT)

I agree. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 18:21, 11 October 2013 (GMT)

Eh, seems a bit weak, but I won't oppose it. --Xyzzy ^Talk 03:40, 12 October 2013 (GMT)

Not that my seal of approval means anything, but I give it as well. :P -damon  ^xoxo 03:42, 12 October 2013 (GMT)

Knights of the Nine reference?

Vlindrel hall, and the housecarl there, Argis the Bulwark, seem like references to the Knights of the Nine quests. Vlindrel is the name of the knight and ghost who had the Sword of the Crusader, and Fort Bulwark was added into the game and housed the Shield of the Crusader. There is unfortunately no reference confirming it in game, but to have both of those together seems too coincidental. 172.12.96.55 16:52, 18 May 2014 (GMT)

Battlespire Reference

One of the lines spoken by souls in the Soul Cairn is, "How dare they cast me from the Battlespire! I will make them pay dearly." This is a reference to the Soul Cairn level in Battlespire, where it's revealed that the Daedra were killing the captives from the Battlespire in the Soul Cairn in order to trap their souls there forever. —Legoless (talk) 20:11, 15 August 2014 (GMT)

Straightforward enough, don't know how that wouldn't be a reference. •WoahBro^►talk 21:20, 15 August 2014 (GMT)

Added. —Legoless (talk) 22:51, 23 April 2015 (GMT)

Just step into the painting

While this had already been brought up twice (and it was approved the second time), there is still no mention of this on the page:

One line of dialogue of the Souls in the Soul Cairn^DG, ""Just step into the painting" he said. Yeah, sure... like it's that simple.", is a reference to the quest A Brush with Death, where you were required to "enter" a painting.

-- SarthesArai ^Talk 16:19, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

If it was approved before, then there's no need to have this discussion again IMO - I say go ahead and add it. —Legoless (talk) 10:58, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Labyrinthian and its Staffs

In Skyrim, you venture forth into Labyrinthian to find an ancient staff to finish the CoW quest line. I think this is an obvious call back to Arena where you venture forth into the same ruin to find a piece of an ancient staff to finish the main quest line. --Rezalon (talk) 06:32, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I don't think so. A similar item in the same location, with no other parallels, is just a coincidence. —Legoless (talk) 10:56, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

References on Alduin's Wall

Should we mention that Alduin's Wall shows both (what I assume to be) Akulakhan, and an Oblivion symbol (Daedric sigil, thing) in front of what appears to be the White-Gold Tower? --MetaCthulhu (talk) 00:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

It's not Akulakhan but Numidium, as "the Prophecy of the Dragonborn refers to the rise of the Numidium and the Warp in the West". This prophecy's references are already included on the page, and Alduin's Wall is just a visualisation of this prophecy. We could mention it in a sentence unter the same point, but I don't think it deserves a own one. -- SarthesArai ^Talk 12:40, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Daggerfall Music Reference

This has been brought up a couple times, but with the wrong examples. One of the incidental songs played by bards with lutes is from Daggerfall. Specifically, "lute song 1" is a new version of this piece (titled "Square"). It's slower, but it's definitely the same melody. Echo (talk) 03:57, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

After listening to both samples, I must say they sound remarkably similar. I agree with this. - KINMUNE ﴾TALK﴿ 04:25, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

I agree as well. This is also at least the fourth time it's been brought up; it's about time it gets added to the page. ~ Alarra ^(talk) 18:47, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

For the record, the tune first appeared in Arena, as I have since found out. Echo (talk) 23:20, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

I'd say it's been brought up enough times now to warrant inclusion on the article, and like Echo said I think there's been confusion in the past about which specific bard song it was. They're definitely the same melody. —Legoless (talk) 00:56, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Creation Club References

Creation Club content obviously features many reappearing items from earlier games, but two references stand out in particular and ought to be noted on this page:

• Several of the spell tomes added by Arcane Accessories are spells which originally appeared in the Spell Tomes DLC for Oblivion, which were themselves references to previous games.
• The Mysterious Note from Staff of Sheogorath notes that "warriors of another age might find [the quest items] familiar". This is a very unsubtle reference to the Symbols of Office quest from Shivering Isles, which has you gather the same items.

—Legoless (talk) 14:42, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, the second one definitely looks like it should be a reference, and if the Spell Tomes are repeats of the Oblivion Spell Tomes which were references, then they would also count by default. --Enodoc (talk) 16:57, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Went ahead and added the above two. Another obvious reference has also appeared in the recent Spell Knight Armor Creation:

• The Spell Knight Armor Creation features a faction called the Order of the Crypt, also known as the War Mages of Shornhelm. This alternate name is a reference to the name of the city's gladiatorial team from an early stage of Arena's development.

—Legoless (talk) 19:27, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Nice find. Creation Club content is neglected I feel by the general population of players that play skyrim, but your notes on these things will bring them to light to those people.Zebendal (talk) 18:46, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Arrow to the knee

Couldn't see this mentioned here or in the archive. I cant help but think that the guards refer to this as a subtle comment on the changes to the armor system from Oblivion to Skyrim. In oblivion, there was more armor types, including greaves, which covered the knees and upper legs. The lack of greaves in the game meant that people would be a lot more prone to being hit by arrows, thus, the subtle reference. Timeoin (talk) 12:35, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Case in point, from Adventurer, this adventurer. Timeoin (talk) 12:49, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

While they removed greaves as a separate armor slot, they did not remove leg covering (or at least, not more than they would have if they had kept greaves separate). I think they even confirmed that they just added this line to give guards more personality. -- SarthesArai ^Talk 14:17, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Peryite's quest

May be a bit of a stretch, but Peryite's Daedric Quest seems to be a nod to the general flow of Oblivion's Daedric Quests. Get directed to a shrine in the middle of the wilderness, be told by a worshiper there to gather items for an offering to the Daedra, commune with the Prince and receive quest. Though I'll admit what probably makes this even more of a stretch is that Peryite was one of the only Daedric Quests in Oblivion that didn't follow this model. 63.225.86.212 17:17, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Cut Content

I am requesting this addition since it is similar in theme to Elder Scrolls Historical References mention of Arena's gladiator teams. The Gray Cowl Returns! creation mentions a family known as the Ice-Blades which obtained lands around the city of Jehanna. The plot is detailed in the fourth era section of the lore page, for any interested. The family name and the fact that the plot has them involved around the area of Jehanna is a reference to the original conception of Arena as a fighting game. Jehanna's gladiator team was to be called "The Iceblades". However, the game was changed to an RPG, and the gladiator teams never appeared in the game.Zebendal (talk) 22:50, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't think it would need to go under Cut Content; there's already a Creation mentioned in the Arena section which references another (former) gladiatorial team. I would say it should just be included in the Arena section as a similar reference. — Wolfborn^(Howl) 02:04, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Merisan

Not sure what's going to be done with CC/AE content (own page?), but Merisan Cuirass is a generic enchanted Netch leather cuirass in Morrowind. When looking to see if the word meant something, the search turned up Crafting with Netch Leather which is written by "Alma Merisan". The use of Merisan could be coincidence, but a Merisan that deals with netch leather seems intentional. --Agiletek (talk) 07:01, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Per your first question, I don't see a reasonable justification to split off this page due to how short this page is, and how short the new article would be. As for including Merisan as a reference, I definitely think that's a good idea. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 15:50, 7 December 2021 (UTC)