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Another Sweetroll joke.

After finding the bonemold for Glover Mallory, and aquiring the key to the basement. Some of the items include a row of sweetrolls.

Thus implying, he did infact. Steal their sweetrolls.— Unsigned comment by ‎68.43.170.239 (talk)

There are rows of sweetrolls in other places in the game--~The wind, forsaken~ (talk) 22:22, 9 December 2012 (GMT)

But this row is locked away in the basement of a known thief. What are the circumstances surrounding the other appearances of rows of sweetrolls? Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 04:18, 14 December 2012 (GMT)

Yes, but Glover is a member of The Thieves Guild. So it's about the context. — Unsigned comment by 108.84.246.99 (talk) at 05:01 on 14 December 2012

Right, that's what I'm saying; we need to know the context behind the other appearances. If they're in bakeries or traders stores, this context is unique and likely the kind of hidden joke that qualifies as an egg. If they've appear in the homes of other thieves, this is a non-specific running gag, not something truly well-hidden. If they appear in a wide variety of domiciles of people who are not known to be thieves, then this may just be a coincidence. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence}

Is it the only non-valuable in the room? If it's among jewels and armor than it's probably an reference to the guard--71.55.139.1 06:02, 12 January 2013 (GMT) line. If there's other crap there (especially other food items) than it is coincidence.

It also may be a reference to the integrated part of the radiant quests for the sweet roll bakery mod. Sometimes Bethesda likes to put easter eggs from mods in too. 68.190.126.248 09:56, 1 February 2013 (GMT)

You're reading too much into this. This isn't even close to an easter egg. "Someone stole sweetrolls, and a guard says SOMEONE STOLE UR SWEETROLL LOL MUST BE AN EASTER EGG FUNNE GUARDS" --99.57.200.125 13:11, 3 February 2013 (GMT)

Giant Nirnroots and Spriggans

On a large island in the North Eastern most corner of the map there is a small collection of Giant Nirnroots and a small handful of Spriggans. Along with an equally giant Spriggan Matron. To get there go to the East coast and walk directly north of Frossel or the Skaal Village untill you hit the last bit of land, then simply swim to the island. They're found near the northern most part of the island. (Assassintjm)— Unsigned comment by 108.215.110.182 (talk) at 23:57 on 9 December 2012‎

Not an easter egg. Just a hidden location. Jeancey (talk) 00:00, 10 December 2012 (GMT)

The giant Nirnroots are an easter egg as they dont appear anywhere else — Unsigned comment by 150.204.146.21 (talk) at 09:50 on 14 December 2012

That's a little overbroad. A lot of places have unique features to them, it doesn't mean they're eggs. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 09:53, 14 December 2012 (GMT)

(←) The Giant Nirnroot appeared in Oblivion as an easter egg, so why is this similar find not an easter egg? It's the same novelty returning in a different game intended for fun. It's also at an unmarked location like the giant Nirnroot before it. — Unsigned comment by 150.204.146.21 (talk) at 12:06 on 14 December 2012‎

It actually isn't on the Oblivion Easter egg page, and there are four giant Nirnroots in Oblivion--~The wind, forsaken~ (talk) 15:43, 14 December 2012 (GMT)

I think that it could be an Easter Egg as a reference to Oblivion, even though it's not referenced on the Oblivion Easter Egg page, many players know what it is and got a kick out of it the first time they saw it. I believe Bethesda knew that and added it into Dragonborn for the nostalgia factor. However if the overall consensus is that it is not, then at least I showed you guys something interesting! (Assassintjm) — Unsigned comment by 108.215.110.182 (talk) at 10:42 on 14 December 2012

That would go on the Elder Scrolls Historical References page, not here~The wind, forsaken~ (talk) 16:53, 14 December 2012 (GMT)

I dont think it's a clear reference to the Oblivion giant Nirnroots, but it does seem like easter egg material, people seem to have mixed feelings about if it is or isn't an easter egg, but what's the harm of putting it on that page? It's a novelty all the same. — Unsigned comment by 94.13.97.173 (talk) at 17:52 on 14 December 2012‎

According to all Easter Egg pages: Easter Eggs include inside jokes, pop culture references, and any similar reference to something outside the Elder Scrolls games. If the nirnroots are indeed a reference to Oblivion, and consensus is reached to document this, then it should be documented on the historical references page, not here. ~ Psylocke 05:11, 15 December 2012 (GMT)

I'm not so sure about that definition, it's a good starting point for Easter Eggs but it's way too concise to base any real finds off. After all, in Saints Row 2, the giant rabbit is classed as an easter egg for the pure fact it's a giant novelty. This wiki seems to have entirely different views about classification and seem to be very protective about it, so I don't see the point of debating this further if the mods are set on their own criteria and not what the public users think... — Unsigned comment by 94.6.226.58 (talk) at 00:41 on 16 December 2012‎

The definition I found on this wiki is 'Funny, out of place, or reference-related non-bug findings'. Which matches this Giant Nirnroot finding perfectly, but for some reason people still think it doesn't belong here, which is odd because the mods set the standards and now are going completely against it. — Unsigned comment by 94.6.226.58 (talk) at 01:20 on 16 December 2012‎

(←) We have strict standards, because if we didn't the main page would be littered with every stupid thing ever said that didn't make an ounce of sense. This is the definition of an Easter Egg, which I assume is the one that the site follows, as it's what I've seen linked to when other users want to define better what an Easter egg is.

That out of the way, I don't think that a large variant of something that exists in game qualifies as an Easter egg. If you've played Morrowind, you'll know that in the western Grazelands, there's an area where the Golden Saints and other creatures there are double the size of what they normally are, but that's not an Easter Egg. There is absolutely nothing special about giant variants of things just by themselves. Snowmane^{(talk•email)} 01:47, 16 December 2012 (GMT)

well I've put my views across an an experienced easter egg hunter and seems I'm only met with resistance so I give up. I'm sure it's an easter egg but if you insist otherwise then not much I can do about it, mods 1, public 0... As always. — Unsigned comment by 94.6.226.58 (talk) at 13:02 on 16 December 2012‎

That actually IS an easter egg on Morrowind Easter Egg page, actually EVERYTHING was an easter egg back then. I was going to write a lenghy and boring monolog. But you will probably ignore it anyways. Just think whats better for the site. — Unsigned comment by 178.235.115.60 (talk) at 08:37 on 24 January 2013 (GMT)

As a note, it is not the mods who determine what rules exist (mods being, I am assuming, admins), but the community. If you would like to change the definition of an Easter Egg on here--whether or not giant things can be considered eggs, for example--start a conversation on the Community Portal (CP) with your proposal as to what it should be changed to. Please don't be passive-aggressive about it, either, by accusing mods of controlling the rules or editors of ignoring your words. But feel free to speak your mind on the topic on the CP. I imagine there was a discussion to start the first definition of an Easter Egg on this wiki, but it may have been years ago, and a new discussion on it wouldn't hurt, if you would like to start it. Vely^►t►e 22:03, 24 January 2013 (GMT)

Woah woah woah, I am not trying to change Easter Egg definition. Its just that Snowmane sais that Giant creatures are not considered Easter Eggs on Morrowind page. And I just explain that they are, feel free to check. And to the part where you probably have seen my agression - Well I think I may have been a little bit. But it was because back then (Back to the definition I guess? ^^) even Ashlander names were considered an Easter Egg, and now mods, people, dunno really don't want to accept giant creatures witch were accepted once.

Hope you guys understand what I mean, didn't rally check this text, so it may not perfectly correct when it comes to grammar etc. Rancor Hellgrinder.— Unsigned comment by 178.235.115.60 (talk) at 19:36 on 27 January 2013 (GMT)

under this "argument" (and lets face it what else can you call it), wouldn't the common easter egg of the giant mudcrab need to be taken off allt he easter egg/historical refrences? while there is nothing special to the nirnroot except its size the fact that it was intentially upscaled would make this a easter egg in of itself for the fact it is a hidden feature intended to be funny and placed by the game creators. no offence to the mods who i know try to keep a strict definition going but some of you need to easy up on the reigns of power and look at the broader pictures.203.219.85.18 05:48, 2 February 2013 (GMT)

In spite of the way that some editors come off in their statements, nobody who edits the site has any greater say in what goes on the wiki than anybody else. Even if some of the more active/senior editors vote that something shouldn't be included on the Easter Egg page, a proposed egg could be added to the article if a clear consensus were reached that it DOES meet the definition and IS a legitimate egg. The definition of an egg could also be changed by consensus, as past editors have attempted. That being said, I agree with the consensus that these oversized items do not qualify as an easter egg. These seem more like features worth mentioning in an articles "Notes' section as something of interest. --Xyzzy ^Talk 07:55, 2 February 2013 (GMT)

(←) It seems to me that this cluster of islands could be a reference to Gulliver's Travels: first the island with the reiklings (Lilliputians), then the island with giant nirnroots and sprigans (Brobdingnagians), and finally Horker Island (Houyhnhns). Though not in the same area of solstheim, Tel Mithryn's giant mushroom seems to resemble a floating island from the world map (laputia). 65.31.124.62 04:29, 14 February 2013 (GMT)

Benkongerike "Love" Nest

I was going through the Benkongericke cave/ruins and discovered a Riekling hut tucked away all by itself. It was full of dozens of copies of "The Lusty Argonian Maid". I thought it was pretty amusing, but I'll leave it up to your imagination to figure out what was going on there. Don't know if this technically counts as an "Easter egg" but thought others would enjoy the humorous implications. — Unsigned comment by Dlcass (talk • contribs) at 02:20 on 11 December 2012

Sounds like it could be an egg. Well-hidden jokes qualify. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 03:01, 11 December 2012 (GMT)

Agreed. While usually Easter Eggs are only references to a specific piece of pop cultural, what else could this be?--~The wind, forsaken~ (talk) 15:05, 11 December 2012 (GMT)

Bethesda having a laugh at their target audience? 98.233.217.33 13:42, 13 December 2012 (GMT)

Before anything can be added, I think it needs an image (i.e. proof), a title, and a proper explanation. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 04:44, 14 December 2012 (GMT)

I found this nest too did anyone else find the telekinesis spell tome under the books?67.240.58.200 05:27, 26 January 2013 (GMT)

This may be interesting, but if it's not referring to something specifically, then it doesn't meet the criteria for inclusion. It's not that our eggs are USUALLY references, it's that they're ALWAYS references. If we can't find something to connect it to, then well hidden joke or not, it's not really the kind of thing we list here. ThuumofReason (talk) 17:51, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

In addition to you being wrong about everything referring to something else (Several Eggs simply have something hidden extremely out of places or well hidden humorous dialogue i.e. Ash Slave dialogue in Morrowind.), your whole logic is flawed. For it to be an Easter Egg it just has to be something that's hidden and it's main goal is to provide entertainment. Unless this ends up being connected to some marked quest or game elements that make it probable to find, it does not go outside the bounds of an Easter Egg. It should also still be kept in mind that this could be a reference to something we so far fail to grasp or that occurred during development (The Head Of Scourge in Morrowind, Nath Dyer in Oblivion).91.155.46.141 20:37, 9 February 2013 (GMT)

Please read our description of "Easter Egg" at the top of the page. This is a common source of confusion for a lot of newcomers to the page, but we define it a little differently from how others might. The description states that specificity is a necessary requirement for inclusion, and that broad parallels aren't what we list here. ThuumofReason (talk) 22:24, 9 February 2013 (GMT)

(←) "Easter Eggs are secrets that the developers put in games to give people a laugh when they find them (provided that they understand the joke or reference)." This counts as a secret (since it's hidden) that makes people laugh because it's a joke. Note that our definition says "joke OR reference". I support the inclusion of this Egg on the page. Vely^►t►e 23:52, 9 February 2013 (GMT)

Okay, so what's it referring to? Still sounds like a broad cultural parallel to me. I think the problem is that our page definitions are kind of lacking in consistency, that notice at the top of the talk page seems to kind of contradict the message at the top of the article. We may need to re-evaluate how we do these in the near future if we can't agree on what does and doesn't belong. ThuumofReason (talk) 00:22, 10 February 2013 (GMT)

That's just the point. It is a JOKE rather than a REFERENCE, both of which are acceptable on the page. If its a joke, it doesn't HAVE to be a reference. Jeancey (talk) 00:37, 10 February 2013 (GMT)

LOTR (Nazgul)

In Dragon Born DLC the dragon Miraak rides looks vary simuliar to the Nazgûl's dragon (or Fellbeast, "Hell-Hawk", and "Nazgûl-birds"). — Unsigned comment by 24.127.39.84 (talk) at 02:47 on 18 December 2012‎

It does doesn't it. Cheezytrousers (talk) 05:23, 20 December 2012 (GMT)

No they don't. Not even remotely. — Unsigned comment by 82.73.72.148 (talk) at 15:59 on 6 February 2013

That's a Serpentine dragon, one of the new kinds added by Dragonborn. It's not unique, nor is it black, so I don't really see the connection. ThuumofReason (talk) 17:51, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

Actually Thuum, they look damn near identical. Serpentine dragons look completely different from every other type of dragon in skyrim, and, while they are a different color, and some other small differences, they look much much much more like the Fellbeast than they do dragons of skyrim. Its like the dragons of skyrim are camels, and Serpentine dragons are alpacas, and fellbeasts are llamas. Sure, they are related, but Serpentine dragon looks more like fellbeasts than it does the rest of the skyrim dragons. Jeancey (talk) 20:00, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

I never said anything about how similar they look to each other. I'm just saying that even if they do, there are other Serpentine dragons than the one Miraak rides, so it's not like that's the only one. Looking similar isn't enough to constitute a reference, especially when it's not a one of a kind thing. ThuumofReason (talk) 20:09, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

Yes, but serpentine dragons as a whole look like fellbeasts. There isn't only one fellbeast, there are many. The specific one the IP user referenced was just a way to point to that. Jeancey (talk) 20:13, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

(←) (edit conflict) I don't think they look identical. Here's a fellbeast.

Miraak's serpentine dragon has a very distinctive marbled coloration, and all of them have a massive underbite, ridges on its back instead of spikes, and a not-too-long neck. Other serpentine dragons are lighter on their stomachs and wings. The fellbeast's jaw is similar to normal dragons, it has spikes on its back and chin (with no ridges), and it has a much longer-looking neck. The only relation seems to be that they're "serpentine"--based off of snakes more than lizards. Vely^►t►e 20:16, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

That's all well and good, Jean, but the point still stands that looking similar isn't a sufficient argument for inclusion. Just because they have similar designs doesn't mean the designers were referring to LotR when they made them look like that. I don't think they were referring to anything in particular, and there hasn't been any evidence presented to suggest that this is any more than a coincidence. ThuumofReason (talk) 20:19, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

the serpentine dragons looks more like blueish grey eels where as the nazgul in the books are black as night (like their riders) i also believe they are not mentioned with hard scales like a dragon and in the movies at least are famous for their drooping long necks (per the picture). something the skyrim dragon is clearly missing. other than rideable and of the rightish shape it feels like a strong leap to say Nazgul. maybe they used it for refrence of how best to ride but unlikely was ment to resemble one.203.219.85.18 09:21, 14 February 2013 (GMT)

Border Reivers

• Reavers are probably based on the Border Reivers of the Anglo-Scottish wars.

See Dragonborn talk:Reaver. This note is from the Bloodmoon article, and seems relevant given the re-appearance of Reavers in Dragonborn. —Legoless (talk) 04:59, 1 January 2013 (GMT)

I actually think we should remove it from the Bloodmoon article. The verb "to reave" means to tear apart. It is much more likely that this is the source of the term. Reavers (as a marauding, bandit-like people) are used in quite a few genre and stories, most notably in the Firefly series (and the related movie Serenity). I'm skeptical that either of these are a reference to an obscure legend (any more than we would put the fact that vampires here are a reference to Ivan the Impaler). Jeancey (talk) 19:40, 2 January 2013 (GMT)

Many things in Bloodmoon have a real-world basis. I think the reference is a a definite possibility. "Riever" is also an alernate spelling of "reaver" (one who reaves). —Legoless (talk) 16:01, 26 January 2013 (GMT)

I still don't think it is a direct reference. Reavers (as in those who Reave) have been used plenty of times in stories that aren't associated with Border Reivers. Border reivers raided on the border (duh) on horseback and in large groups. The reavers seen in game are found all over the island (not along any particular line that could be construed as a border) and more often than not are alone. It seems clear to me that the word Reaver is simply someone who reaves, and not based on a reiver in any way. I really don't see any connection other than a slight similarity with names. In terms of our strict rules for easter eggs today, this would have never been added. It is like saying that it is an easter egg that Nords are vikings.... yes they are similar in some ways... but in most ways they are very different and we would never add it to an article. Jeancey (talk) 18:53, 26 January 2013 (GMT)

The reivers in Bloodmoon were always found near water. Even if the ones in Dragonborn are just renamed bandits, the note on the Bloodmoon article should remain. —Legoless (talk) 19:17, 26 January 2013 (GMT)

The border reivers raided on the Scottish, english border. They didn't raid near water, as pirates might. If it were actually spelled "reiver" then I would agree with you. This is nothing more than a coincidental spelling similarity that stems from two words with common origins. If you want to keep this then I propose that we add that the pirates that appear in game are clear references to Pirates of the Caribbean, and that they deserve a place on the page. I mean, they have the exact same name after all. Reavers could be based on wikipedia:Reavers (comics) or on wikipedia:The Reivers a 1962 book by faulkner. Maybe one of the people who worked on bloodmoon went to Iowa Western Community College, with their team, The Reivers... There just isn't enough evidence to support this connection. Jeancey (talk) 19:24, 26 January 2013 (GMT)

I'm going to propose an actual, counter example that I believe is the REAL reference here. The TV show Firefly came out in september of 2002, and was cancelled (to the very very vocal disappointment of fans) in december of 2002. Bloodmoon was released in June of 2003, leaving ample time for a developer to change the name that they had earlier in development to Reaver as a sort of shout out to the recently cancelled TV series, which had by this time developed a cult following. Jeancey (talk) 19:35, 26 January 2013 (GMT)

(←) From wiki: "As soldiers, the Border Reivers were considered among the finest light cavalry in all of Europe."--but they lack horses. Additionally, they were known to switch loyalties, and were notably a mixture of Scottish and English nationalities. I don't see any of these in there. If we look on Wikipedia, then the verb "to reave" (archaic) is defined as "To plunder, pillage, rob, pirate, or remove." What do bandits do? They plunder, pillage, rob, pirate, and remove stuff. Except for the name, what is the relation? Do they have two different "nationalities" between them? Is anything about them based on something English or Scottish? We need more than a name here for a relation. They reave, like other bandits, so maybe they're called reavers just for variety. Reaving is what they do, so they're called reavers. Why are pirates called pirates? Because they pirate things. I don't know Firefly, but I still think it's just a name. Vely^►t►e 19:47, 26 January 2013 (GMT)

Agreed. Reaver just appears to be a more colorful name for bandit, and not specific to the Border Rievers or Firefly's reaver. Speculation as to whether the devs chose the name as a homage to Firely is simply that, speculation. --Xyzzy ^Talk 18:00, 30 January 2013 (GMT)

Just thought I'd add to this discussion, that the "Reavers" were a gladiatorial team proposed for (but dropped from) TES I: Arena. According to TIL, they were the team from Ebonheart in Morrowind. My bit of speculation is that the Reavers of Solsthiem are descended from the original team members, having fled Morrowind after the Red Year. It is supposition, I know, and the gladiatorial teams are not generally accepted as canonical because they were cut from the game, but we still have arenas and gladiatorial teams in Tamriel. – Daric↝talk 07:23, 4 February 2013 (GMT)

Unlikely. Reavers were present in Bloodmoon, the expansion for morrowind, so they have been on solstheim for, at minimum, 200 or so years, probably more. Jeancey (talk) 08:00, 4 February 2013 (GMT)

(←) Just a (rather late) comment on the spelling ("if it were actually spelt Reiver"), that's how it's spelt according to the Osprey book I have on the subject. --Christine (talk) 15:41, 13 February 2013 (GMT)

Ugh, I just realised I completely missed the point about the spelling. Please ignore my rambling. --Christine (talk) 04:58, 14 February 2013 (GMT)

King In Yellow

One of the Black Books is a play named "The Sallow Regent". This would be a reference to the King in Yellow, a fictional play in the Cthulhu Mythos that drives anybody who reads it insane. — Unsigned comment by Auriel (talk • contribs) at 03:45 on 2 January 2013‎

Well, unlike the other lovecraft suggestions here, I find this one reasonable enough.~The wind, forsaken~ (talk) 02:20, 6 January 2013 (GMT)

In the tomb there is also someone who based on her journal is insane that strengthens the idea. — Unsigned comment by 82.73.72.148 (talk) at 19:04 on 6 February 2013

Not really, considering she hadn't entered the chamber where the book is located. This isn't to say that it's not a reference, just that the reason given by 82.73.72.148 directly above doesn't really strengthen the idea. — ABCface^◥ 20:27, 6 February 2013 (GMT)

How is this a reference? I'm not saying it isn't, just that you need to explain the connection a bit better. I'm still not sure how the two are similar. ThuumofReason (talk) 17:53, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

Sallow = Yellow, Regent = King. Both are a book that apparently drive you insane, and there are already established correlations between the Cthulhu mythos and Hermaeus Mora (forbidden knowledge, elder gods, tentacles, etc.) --82.15.228.5 20:26, 14 February 2013 (GMT)

(←) According to Wikipedia, Lovecraft's fictional play was actually taken from earlier works by Robert W. Chambers. If we are going to call this a reference, which I'm leaning towards supporting, we should probably state that it references the earlier works of Chambers rather than Lovecraft. --Xyzzy ^Talk 06:24, 15 February 2013 (GMT)

I think that this qualifies as an egg. If I don't see significant objection, I'll add it in a few days. --Xyzzy ^Talk 17:27, 24 February 2013 (GMT)

Twister Drinking Story

If you ask Geldis Sadri about the name of his bar he tells you about how one of his patrons while severely intoxicated walks naked with a bottle of sujamma singing loudly, and upon seeing a netch says "have a drink" and chucks the bottle at the netch, and the bottle never hits the ground. This dialog is very similar to the story told by Dusty in the movie Twister where he explains why Bill is "the Extreme" in which while very drunk Bill strolled out into a field during a tornado (also naked) and threw his Jack Daniels at said tornado also saying "have a drink". SulyaTamagen (talk) 03:29, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

For convenience, a link to the very short previous discussion regarding this proposed egg. — ABCface^◥ 03:34, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

The CSList entry for Sadri lists his dialogue. If the movie scene is as similar as SulyaTamagen says, I would support its inclusion as a reference. --Xyzzy ^Talk 03:48, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

Thanks, I did not see any comments about this topic when I posted.SulyaTamagen (talk) 04:47, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

Agreed. Just did that quest, and as Geldis was speaking I recognized the dialogue. Definitely a Twister reference. — Unsigned comment by 27.253.8.122 (talk) at 11:26 on 8 February 2013 (GMT)

If we can confirm that there is a pet named "Dusty", I would also support this. ThuumofReason (talk) 17:55, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

The lone Silt Strider in DB is named dusty. No evidence of any connection there though... Jeancey (talk) 19:54, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

Dialogue sounds quite similar to me, pleasantly surprised to hear it 66.41.128.154 03:41, 15 April 2013 (GMT)

(←) I'm neutral. The one very similar line makes me inclined to say it's so (1:20 in the video), but the rest of it sounds like a stretch. Vely^►t►e 03:52, 15 April 2013 (GMT)

Having that one small portion of dialogue match exactly cements it for me. Support. --Xyzzy ^Talk 04:08, 15 April 2013 (GMT)

Lovecraft in quest name?

The quest At the Summit of Apocrypha sound too similar and could be a small reference to H.P. Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness. --Winch1990 (talk) 08:17, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

I do not agree on that, so can you please try to explain what similarities you see except both starting with "At the"? —MortenOSlash (talk) 11:41, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

Yeah, there's any number of things that title could be connected to based solely on similar wording. ThuumofReason (talk) 17:56, 8 February 2013 (GMT)

Maybe not related to this quest, but Hawfip the Crafter's Sallow Regent seems a bit like The King in Yellow, which I believe played a role in inspiring the works of H.P. Lovecraft himself. Spiegel1 (talk) 12:59, 12 February 2013 (GMT)

At the Summit (Mountains) of Apocrypha (Madness), seems to be very similar title-wise, perhaps more of a allusion to Lovecraft's work then a true easter egg. Also Mora is a mirror image of Shaggoth from the Mountains novel. Not that the quest is anything like the story, but I can see the connections.--74.45.47.27 21:49, 13 February 2013 (GMT)

I haven't played that far yet, but Lovecraft's stuff and Hermaeus Mora both deal with forbidden knowledge and secrets better left undiscovered, so it would be very fitting as a small nod. Since it's not even the same words though, just the title seems too little to go on. Weroj (talk) 06:31, 14 February 2013 (GMT)

of refrence is maybe a comment that ALL of hermoreus morpha and related material is inspired off lovecraft and the original book descritions of cthulu and the ancient ones. (originally he was not dragonliek but just a shape shifting blob of tentacles that the sheer sight made you go mad). this is somehting that has been verified in the past but i am not sure if the daedric god himself has it as trivia. even so as a general coverall for this DLC it may be worth a mention that it is strongly inspired on his myhtos.203.219.85.18 06:52, 14 February 2013 (GMT)

Remember A Shadow Over Hackdirt? (based from A Shadow Over Innsmouth) This kind of stuff is not beyond something Bethesda would do. Given, that quest in Oblivion truly recreated the actual Lovecraft story. There's enough going on with this DLC that they didn't need to reshape any plot lines from the mythos to have their nods. We wouldn't like "At the Mountains of Apocrypha" or "At the Summit of Madness", too obvious. So that quest title is a good easter egg that non H.P. fans would miss. Come to think of it, read Mountains and see if you can see vague but similar plots of traveling to a hositle, alien-like, and snowy island (Antarctica ala Solstheim) and discovering powerful beings from another realm that should not be loose on the world. If the title is just another Lovecraft refernce, then throw it in the pile with the others lol.--Winch1990 (talk) 07:52, 14 February 2013 (GMT)

i do agree Winch1990 that the name is a clever nod. however as a individual easter egg, eeh probally not worth it. as part of a overall encompsing easter egg for cthulu/hp lovecraft on the page yes.203.219.85.18 09:12, 14 February 2013 (GMT)

(←) hope no one objects just added a basic one liner encompesing the daedric lords conenction to lovecraft and mentioning that being tied directly to him his realm and black books both in names and effects link back to the hermoeus mora easter egg. (arkay i hate spellign these names)203.219.85.18 09:23, 14 February 2013 (GMT)

The entry in the article was removed because consensus hasn't been reached. I think this connection is too vague to be called a reference. The devs were obviously inspired by Lovecraft's works, but to call this title a deliberate nod is a stretch. --Xyzzy ^Talk 14:39, 14 February 2013 (GMT)

Goin' Fishing in Benkongerike

This rod and reel are on the upper level of the Great Hall of Benkongerike. — Unsigned comment by Phrohr (talk • contribs) at 11:59 on 12 February 2013

How is this an Easter egg? Fishing poles are found all over Skyrim. It's just a random piece of clutter hoarded by the rieklings. —Legoless (talk) 02:10, 13 February 2013 (GMT)

Tolkien - Morwen (Children of Hurin)

There is a Skaal NPC by the name of Morwen, a name used by Tolkien in Children of Hurin and the Silmarillion as the mother of Turin Turambar. Turin is himself inspired by Kullervo from the Finnish epic the Kalevala. The Skaal over all resemble the pre-modern Finns in culture, lifestyle, religion, and even language. Whether any of this was intentional or not... no idea. Sylvanicus (talk) 03:13, 14 February 2013 (GMT)

We would typically want to see more of a connection than just a name to call this a reference. Are there any other similarities specific to these characters? --Xyzzy ^Talk 03:21, 14 February 2013 (GMT)

Given much of Skaal also draws from the Germanic Scandinavian language and culture (with "skål" (old spelling "skaal") meaning "cheers" in all the Scandinavian languages, but not the non-Germanic Finnish language) the comparison is a bit watered further out. —MortenOSlash (talk) 06:03, 14 February 2013 (GMT)

Doctor Who joke?

Could the "The Sallow Regent" quest be a reference to the Doctor Who episodes "Silence in the Library" and "Forest of the Dead?". Those episodes take place in a library(like Apocrypha) and features Vashta Nerada, shadows that kill you. 172.12.96.180 00:12, 22 February 2013 (GMT)

This one seems less likely than the King in Yellow proposal above. --Xyzzy ^Talk 17:10, 24 February 2013 (GMT)

I suspect that it was meant more for the circumstances, a huge planet sized library where the shadows actively harm you are featured in both Doctor Who episodes and in that quest as well as Filament and Filigree, and Apocrypha is a huge library and the Deadly Darkness trap is similar to the Vashta Nerada. — Unsigned comment by 172.12.96.55 (talk) at 17:06 on 25 May 2014 (GMT)

Possible Stargate Atlantis reference?

Can the Dwemer ruin of Nchardak be a reference to the show?

Quote from the article (which in turn was taken from Neloth's lines when you visit the ruins with him): "Nchardak was known as the "City of a Hundred Towers". It was also the largest, and perhaps the most advanced, of the great Dwemer Archives. Old stories tell of the time when Nords invaded the city and, in response, the Dwemer submerged the entire city beneath the sea until the Nords gave up." — Unsigned comment by Akatama (talk • contribs) at 15:02 on 26 February 2013‎

I'm not familiar with the series, but the Wikipedia article states that the SG version of Atlantis was deliberately submerged to protect it from an enemy, just like the Skyrim one. However, the article makes no mention of the series' Atlantis being a "City of a Hundred Towers" or an important archive. Maybe someone more knowledgeable about the TV series can address this. I personally would need more than a city named Atlantis being submerged to differentiate the SG Atlantis from the Greek mythological Atlantis. --Xyzzy ^Talk 17:17, 26 February 2013 (GMT)

To be fair, the atlantis depicted in the series had lots and lots and lots of towers, and was a source of a very large amount of ancient knowledge, but I'm still not entirely convinced that this is a reference to the series. Jeancey (talk) 17:19, 26 February 2013 (GMT)

I chuckled when I got to that spot in the game. I think it could be a reference, given the towers of SG's Atlantis and the Ancient repository of knowledge, but it's probably a stretch. 75.66.66.216 05:58, 30 July 2013 (GMT)

Possible Noah Arks Easter Egg!

There is a dwemer ship wreck in the mountain pass of Solstheim where some riekling tribes dwell. In my second visit to the place I thought how a dwemer steam ship can be found in high altitude mountain pass. Then I remember Noah's Ark and Mt. Ararat story. What do you think? (Note: English spelling will be checked.) — Unsigned comment by 193.255.247.113 (talk) at 02:22 on 28 February 2013

In Bloodmoon, or rather, shortly before that, a team of mages and whatever created a flying airship that crash landed on Solstheim. Is it the Patchwork Airship you're thinking of? ES^{(talk•email)} 10:08, 28 February 2013 (GMT)

This is the patchwork airship from Bloodmoon. It is also already present on the historical references page :) Jeancey (talk) 16:18, 28 February 2013 (GMT)

Winnie The Werebear

While wandering around the Glacial Cave area, I came upon the spawn for 3 Werebears. One of these was carrying a pot of Honey! — Unsigned comment by 142.163.72.61 (talk) at 21:49 on 19 March 2013

Honey is one of a list of items werebears can carry as random loot, and can not be called an Easter Egg as such. —MortenOSlash (talk) 18:40, 19 March 2013 (GMT)

I have to disagree. I think this is a reference to bears stereotypically liking honey Werebears are the only enemy (that I have seen) that carry honey as loot, and honey itself is rare in the game..--~The wind, forsaken~ (talk) 20:18, 19 March 2013 (GMT)

I don't have strong feelings about this, but to clarify: werebears drop DLC2DeathItemWerebear on death, which is a leveled list containing DLC2WereBearIngredient75, which is another leveled list containing Honeycomb, Human Flesh, Honey, Boar Meat, Venison, Human Flesh, and Venison. Two or three just have DLC2WereBearIngredient75 in their inventory. Either way, there's basically a chance that they'll have ingredients followed by another chance one of those will be honey-related. Sounds to me more like just a cute little thing, not so much a definite reference, but make of it what you will. ⇠eshe^talk 13:47, 20 March 2013 (GMT)

I would agree if Winnie the Pooh created the whole "bears like honey" thing, but it's actually centuries or even millenias old. This is absolutely not an easter-egg. Elakyn (talk) 15:01, 20 March 2013 (GMT)

I'm not saying it's a reference to Winnie the Pooh, that's just what the original poster titled it. I think it's a more broad reference to the stereotype that bears love honey (which they don't). I'm not going to have a big argument over this, but honey is included in ONLY that leveled list. no others.--~The wind, forsaken~ (talk) 15:20, 20 March 2013 (GMT)

Bear actually do like honey, even though they're probably more interested in the bee larvaes. Anyway, I'm not denying the fact that werebear carrying honey is notable and they are indeed the only enemy to carry some, but it is not what UESP defines as an easter-egg. I insist on the fact that it's UESP's definition, not mine or the one commonly accepted by most people. Elakyn (talk) 15:47, 20 March 2013 (GMT)

Lusty Reikling Easter Egg

I honestly don't like the way the Lusty Reikling easter egg is written. While I think it is actually an egg, I don't get the significence of the linen cloth or the telekinesis spell, and I don't know why it needs to be written in a 'wink, wink, say no more" style. Nothing else on the wiki is written like that.--~The wind, forsaken~ (talk) 21:20, 19 March 2013 (GMT)

I believe that the linen cloth can be taken as Skyrim's equivalent of tissues, so it would be relevant if indeed there is an abnormally large amount of linen cloth at that location. I agree that the telekinesis connection is weak at best. Kozol (talk) 09:57, 23 March 2013 (GMT)

I've made some alterations to the entry to clarify what this these items are supposed to be in reference to. I understand where the comment about the relevance of the telekinesis book comes from, but I can't find a good way to put it. I did try, but I became disheartened after my (definitely related) searches for "telekinetic handjobs" came up with nothing. Surely there is a trope for this, somewhere. I'm aware of different franchises joking or having it joked about their series' magic being used for this purpose, so you'd think someone would of codified this joke by now. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 11:27, 23 March 2013 (GMT)

Frossel Home Made Horse

In a large room in Frossel, you can see a bunch of rieklings worshiping something (if you're not detected). Upon closer inspection it can be clearly identified as a carriage. "Pulling" this carriage is a horse (or even a deer because it seems to have small antlers) made of ice, a skull, barrel pieces and other things easily scavenged be those little guys. Iituti (talk) 20:34, 9 April 2013 (GMT)

I've seen videos of this; I'm surprised it's not already on the page. It's some sort of makeshift reindeer pulling a carriage covered with all sorts of weird markings. I assume it was meant to reference Santa's sleigh. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 20:38, 9 April 2013 (GMT)

It has been discussed before. Everyone is pretty sure that it is a reference. No one could decide on what that reference was. Jeancey (talk) 20:41, 9 April 2013 (GMT)

Shouldn't it at least be mentioned on the page about Frossel (like in the notes section)? Iituti (talk) 20:54, 9 April 2013 (GMT)

Even then, we still need to come up with something that it is referencing, or decide it is just a fun thing they added in and that it isn't actually referencing anything. It probably isn't santa's sleigh, mainly because it is a horse, rather than a reindeer and there is only one of them. Plus, it is more of a carriage than a sleigh. Jeancey (talk) 21:00, 9 April 2013 (GMT)

There is abundant circumstantial support for it being Santa's sleigh which, taken together, make the conclusion pretty reliable. First, I don't think they have sleds in the game. At least, not a large one that could approximate Santa's sleigh. A carriage (a heavily stylized one) is the closest equivalent. "Frossel" is in the extreme north of Solstheim; basically the closest thing we'll get to the "North Pole" in TES without going to Atmora. Bloodmoon featured a Santa egg ("Uncle Sweetshare" was originally named "Grandfather Frost", a Russian-Norwegian equivalent Santa), so it would seem to follow a theme of Solstheim being a sort of winter wonderland. There have been popular Christmas-themed Skyrim mods, which may have been the inspiration. The Reiklings are like crude, feral equivalents to the elves commonly featured in imaginings of Santa's Workshop, and they can be found worshiping and bowing to the sleigh upon its discovery. And perhaps most importantly, there are most definitely antlers on that thing, which makes it either a reindeer or a horse with one helluva headache. Short of a large skeleton in tattered red garments, I don't see how a Santa reference could be any clearer. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 21:24, 9 April 2013 (GMT)

(←) I feel like the majority of that is from things that aren't actually in the game. Uncle Sweetshare being a previous game, and having no connection to Frossel in that game at all, the mods being unrelated to the developers, and the fact that it is an empty carriage rather than a sled full of presents (or atleast small crates). Also, Solstheim isn't north of skyrim, it is east of skyrim. Skyrim is like northern canada, and solstheim is greenland. There isn't really a geographical reason for solstheim being considered "north" of skyrim. I will agree that Reiklings could be considered elves, and that it has antlers, but that's all the connection I see there. I would say that if there were two horses/reindeer things, and the carriage was full of crates, boxes or other containers, then it would have more weight, but I just see circumstantial evidence at this point. Jeancey (talk) 21:33, 9 April 2013 (GMT)

I think you are being far too dismissive of the antlers. You did say, after all, that it being a horse was the main problem, not a lack of presents. The previous conversation you mentioned didnt even take notice of the antlers, and instead suggested it was a "snowpony".Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 22:04, 9 April 2013 (GMT)

I agree with Jeancey (poet and didn't know it, lol). I don't see it. Yes, it does have antlers, but that might just be coincidental, as the devs needed to make the horse's head with something and an elk skull is the only thing already ingame that resembles a horse's head. Also, I believe (though I haven't played DB and can't find documentation for it) that reiklings worshipping objects isn't just limited to this instance.--~The wind, forsaken~ (talk) 20:30, 10 April 2013 (GMT)

It reminds me of the aliens' obsession with toy horses in Fallout 3's Mothership Zeta. Anyway yes, it's a deer carved in ice, pulling a cart, it's notable, and I wouldn't be against including it but I can't say I support it either. It's pretty weak, for an UESP approved easter egg. -- Elakyn (talk) 20:42, 10 April 2013 (GMT)

Rieklings are essentially a variety of cargo cultists. They pick bits and pieces of items and objects from a culture and technology they do not really understand, and starts to worship them in different kinds of misunderstood ways. Whatever the image of the animal is meant to be, there is certainly something rarely found on Solstheim. Solstheim has no known horses or similar beasts of burden or draught animals. The closest thing found are the Reikling's bristlebacks, and they carry riders, and do not pull carts. There seems to be few in-game proofs of what Bethesda's developers thought of when they put this into here, but some idea or other of cargo cults are probable. —MortenOSlash (talk) 22:18, 10 April 2013 (GMT)

That is very true, just look at the airship. It's filled with riekling symbols and the like. Iituti (talk) 21:08, 11 April 2013 (GMT)

The Gardener of Men

• Taken from the Gardener of men quest page.

*The name of this quest is taken from the Hermaeus Mora section of a Michael Kirkbride text called the Imperial Census of Daedra Lords.

Sounds pretty solid to me. He calls Mora "the Gardener of Men" in the article and I can find no previous reference to Mora by that name.--~The wind, forsaken~ (talk) 18:55, 18 April 2013 (GMT)

I'm not sure how much of an "easter egg" that is, considering MK's past connections with bethesda. Jeancey (talk) 19:00, 18 April 2013 (GMT)

Doesn't seem like a hidden joke or a pop-culture reference, since TIL is so intimately tied in with the ES multiverse. I think it works best as a note on the quest page, where it already is. --Xyzzy ^Talk 19:25, 18 April 2013 (GMT)

Morwens smithing

In the Skaal village in Morwen's (who is a apprentice smith) house there is a tray full of iron daggers this is a reference to the fact that lots of Skyrim users craft loads of iron daggers to advance in skill level. — Unsigned comment by 2013‎ 101.103.57.41 (talk) at 05:14 on 26 April

Doubtful. Any aspiring blacksmith would likely practice by repeatedly crafting something simple, and iron daggers are pretty simple. --Xyzzy ^Talk 12:10, 26 April 2013 (GMT)

Riekling Moutaineer

Northeast of Moesring Pass there is a mountaintop with a flag on it. In front lies a dead Riekling. Seems like this has been an exhausted Riekling mountaineer! — Unsigned comment by 109.90.186.211 (talk) at 20:58 on 15 June 2013

If this is real ( I don't have DB so I can't check) I would support it. --AN|L (talk) 09:59, 16 June 2013 (EDT)

If the dead Reikling is scripted and not a random body, then this might qualify as an egg. However, Skyrim is littered with scripted corpses, so this one would need something notable about it to stand out from the crowd. Just being next to a flag on a mountaintop is a bit weak, IMO. --Xyzzy ^Talk 14:31, 16 June 2013 (GMT)

Pro: A funny little surprise for someone who tries to climb the mountain.

Con: One of the more easily accessible mountaintops rather than a really challenging top, and the closeness to the Riekling camp of Moesring Pass gives a feeling it could as well just be a body forgotten from a clean-up after something else that did not make it to the final game. —MortenOSlash (talk) 19:55, 16 June 2013 (GMT)

LOTR Reference

I mentioned this as a possible reference to Lord of the Rings, but I cannot see it on this page, so I'm not sure if it was dismissed. But there is a line during a conversation in the Skaal village, where the smith (Baldor?) goes missing, and one npc says to the other, something like: "Something's not right. I feel it in my bones and I smell it in the air." which is a line spoken by Galadriel in The Fellowship of the Ring film. It's a strange line I think to put in to the context given, and therefore I'm almost certain it is a reference to Lord of the Rings, but that might be just y opinion, thoughts? Manic (talk) 15:19, 1 July 2013 (GMT)

If it's an EXACT quote, then maybe. However, these are common figures of speech, so it may just be coincidence. --Xyzzy ^Talk 15:22, 1 July 2013 (GMT)

This has been discussed before here but a consensus was never reached. Anyway, the line is spoken by Deor Woodcutter and it is Something isn't right, Fanari. I feel it in my bones and I smell it in the air. Baldor wouldn't leave without telling someone. but the line from LOTR is "The world is changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air... ...". Considering that 'I feel it in my bones' is a fairly common expression and the quotes aren't that similar, I'd say no. --AN|L (talk) 15:35, 1 July 2013 (GMT)

Fair enough, I have noticed it was brought up before, but it was inconclusive, so thought I would just bring it back up. Oh well. Manic (talk) 15:38, 1 July 2013 (GMT)

Yeah, not similar enough for inclusion, IMO. --Xyzzy ^Talk 15:42, 1 July 2013 (GMT)

Lotr - moved from Skyrim Easter Egg talk page

Well it's another LOTR Easter egg. I think miraak looks like the witch-king in LOTR with his mask and all. Another one is Hermaeus mora that reminders me Sauron with his eye and his deep voice. — Unsigned comment by 79.182.7.106 (talk) at 20:07 on 28 July 2013 (GMT)

Dragonborn talk:Easter Eggs ES^{(talk•email)} 20:08, 28 July 2013 (GMT)

Whether there's a definite resemblance aside, I don't think there's an easter egg; just something the developers may have drawn inspiration from. Weroj (talk) 22:26, 28 July 2013 (GMT)

Neither of them are similar enough, IMO, to be called eggs. --Xyzzy ^Talk 22:38, 28 July 2013 (GMT)

Personally, I think coincidence. Before the LOTR movies, Sauron didn't even have an audible voice, and Hermaeus Mora was thought up way before the first LOTR movie was filmed.

Sheogorath 217.212.230.200 07:03, 12 September 2013 (GMT)

Lurkers inspired in H.P. Lovecraft's stories

I think the Lurker creatures found in Dragonborn are probably based on the fish people-monsters described in some of Lovecraft's tales.Gabrole (talk) 22:56, 9 September 2013 (GMT)

You're probably right. Many of the elements of Dragonborn are probably inspired by the Cthulhu mythos. They are so numerous and unspecific, however, that there has never been consensus to list them as easter eggs, with the exception of The Sallow Regent. --Xyzzy ^Talk 01:03, 10 September 2013 (GMT)

Ash Spawn a possible referance to Dark Souls?

Hey, so i'm pretty sure this is wrong, but the Ash Spawn and related quests could be a referance to several elements of the game "Dark Souls". Here's the intro from Dark Souls - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FN8nBAe56I0. Notice the lines "From the dark" in referance to the Hollow, which is similiar to the quest name "From the Ashes" in referance to the Ash Spawn. As well as this, the Hollow of Dark Souls do share some visual aspects with the Ash Spawn.

It can also be observed that the state of Lordran in the into is similiar to that of Morrowind and to a lesser extent Solsthiem, including the presence of the Everlasting Dragons.

Once again, this is vague and I am fairly sure it is incorrect, but at the very least it's food for thought. -M4W3L

PS. This is unrelated, but am I alone in thinking the Ash Spawn are almost visually identical to the 'zombie' creatures from the Dr. Who episode "Journey to the Center of the TARDIS"? — Unsigned comment by 124.184.87.89 (talk) at 00:08 on 14 September 2013 (GMT)

Cool trailer, but all of this looks coincidental, and I personally don't see any resemblance between ash spawn and the time zombies from Dr. Who. --Xyzzy ^Talk 21:45, 14 September 2013 (GMT)

Inspired by "The Library of Babel"

This lies in the same vein as the Lovecraft "references" but I was directed to post it here so...
Something I thought was interesting to note (though it may belong in Trivia section of the Apocrypha article itself):
In literary terms, the realm of Apocrypha is a 'living' version of Jorge Luis Borges' "The Library of Babel." Aside from the fact that I used the term 'living' ironically (for the realm itself might as well be dying; the image of moldy, old tomes bleeding ink like black blood into the eternal ocean of acidic, inky nothingness from their rotting, bloated corpses which float like icebergs on the sea of incomprehensible possibility comes to mind.), there is a biological/spiritual component to the Realm of Apocrypha that The Library of Babel doesn't have: Daedra. Despite this, they certainly have three very important things in common; both are realms of potential knowledge, both are traps for the finite mind to become lost in, and both display the futility of attempting to hold great amounts of knowledge while resisting its ever-persistent call of corruption. Zuuk Cyrodiil (talk) 22:18, 16 November 2013 (GMT)

I'm not familiar with the book itself, but reading the wikipedia synopsis, I don't see the connection. The library of babel is a library of books containing random letters, they contain actual information purely by chance. Not a reference in my opinion. --AN|L (talk) 23:49, 17 November 2013 (GMT)

Well, nearly any fictional realm holding infinite knowledge could be a trap for the finite mind to become lost in... And even if this WAS a refernece, wich I highly doubt, the lore of the Apocrypha was established at least in Morrowind, perhaps even in Daggerfall, so it wouldn't belong here. -- SarthesArai ^Talk 16:40, 18 November 2013 (GMT)

Moved from Page

In the trading post you can find a note and arrow which refers to Robbin Hood.

I don't think this qualifies. Using an arrow to pin a note has become a bit of a universal trope. --AKB ^{Talk Cont Mail} 02:21, 20 November 2013 (GMT)

Agreed. Jeancey (talk) 02:25, 20 November 2013 (GMT)

Also agreed. If I'm not mistaken, there are multiple instances of that anyway, so one example isn't a reference. --AN|L (talk) 07:17, 20 November 2013 (EST)

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