Lore talk:Morag Tong

Ah, sorry...

Accidentally hit the save page button when I was going to fragment that addition. Now it isn't letting me change it... Grayfox1128 23:35, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Don't worry about it, try to learn all the wiki code and write up drafts in word then just copy paste them here and show preview.Cmdr 23:38, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Article incorrectly states that they are legally sanctioned in the empire

Is there a source reference for this fact? As far as I know this guild is only legally sanctioned in Morrowind and not by Empire, but by the tradition of Morrowind's culture and religion. They assassinated an Emperor and 2 interim rulers of the Empire in the second era - the book The Brothers of Darkness by Pellarne Assi specifically mentions them being outlawed and persecuted throughout the Empire after that third assassination. 216.94.19.94 19:22, 1 December 2011 (UTC)Dereck

If I recall, information from Oblivion states the Morag Tong as a "government sanctioned" and "legal" alternative to the Dark Brotherhood. This leads me to believe that the Morag Tong is, indeed, supported by the Imperial government. --Lee 95 17:35, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

From my study, the Morag Tong is a traditional organisation of Morrowind. As a result of the Armistice Tiber Septim signed to incorporate Morrowind into the Empire, all traditions of the Dunmer were respected by the Empire, such as slavery (which the Empire opposes), the Great Houses, the Tribunal Temple etc. Right-Hand-Of-Sithis 07:11, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

It's never been clear to me whether the Morag Tong is authorized to pursue contracts outside of Morrowind (I assume not), but it is implied in Oblivion that their services are only available to Morrowind residents. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 07:50, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Morang tong

I had recently beaten the Thieves guild questiline in Skyrim and a i talked to new member named Ravyn Imyan You are given the option to ask about him so i did he said he was a member of the morang tong,not the Morag Tong, they changed the name in skyrim i guess, just thought id let you all know if you didnt notice 76.104.3.195 02:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

If a subtitle or whatever is the only instance of the name Morang Tong, I will assume its a typo. Is there a book or anything else to supplement this dialogue? ES^{Question?•Email•Contribs} 02:44, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Voice actors get things wrong all the time, whether it's pronunciation or gender of other characters. I say remove it. Morag is unquestionably the name of the organization, and not arbitrarily. It's an in-universe word with a known meaning.132.162.145.156 18:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

My guess is that it was a typo by the dialogue creators that then went to a voice actor who in turn mispronounced it based on the spelling. I think the best bet is to probably mention the misspelling/mispronunciation as a Note at the bottom of the page. I don't think it needs to be in the lead. – Robin Hood↝talk 19:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

My whole life I thought that the name is Morang Tong, I just realized that it is Morag Tong... --Arkhon 18:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

What do the subtitles say? I don't think it should be included either way, but if it's just the way the guy is pronouncing it then it's not even noteworthy. --Legoless 01:57, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

The subtitles in Skyrim have it as "Morang Tong", but there's only one character who ever actually says that in the game, Ravyn Imyan (though the player then also uses that term after he mentions them). It's probably a retcon, but maybe we can say that he, like Arkhon, always heard it wrong, and the player, not knowing any better, also does? ;) – Robin Hood↝talk 02:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

(←) I can't really take such a blatant spelling mistake seriously. I think we should just put a sic tag on it and leave it at that. --Legoless 13:42, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Random event in Skyrim 1.8

I found a hostile NPC called "Morag Tong Fanatic" running around the plains. She was a plain-faced female Dunmer, with all the normal Dunmer battle quotes (didn't live long enough to let me hear any new ones). She was carrying a note called Dark Promise, which seemed to be written by the highest-ranking member of the group, admonishing the remaining members to go their own way, and suggested building up wealth, power, and secrets for "when we rise again", or going out and destroying the last members of the Dark Brotherhood.

At this point, I'm on the quest to talk to Muiri in Markarth (forgot the name, sorry). In some 400 hours of gameplay, I have never once encountered this NPC, nor is there a page up for Dark Promise. Is this new in 1.8? — Unsigned comment by 24.236.180.63 (talk) at 14:37 on 2 November 2012

That would be an entirely new occurrence, if true. It's not mentioned anywhere else on the web or the game data that I can find. Minor Edits^{Threats•Evidence} 14:56, 2 November 2012 (GMT)

Huh. Since 1.8 is only released on PC so far, you should be able to get a screenshot of the note.--Anil (talk) 15:07, 2 November 2012 (GMT)

Which version was this, some beta perhaps? I can't find any trace of this in the regular released 1.8 patch data. --Alfwyn (talk) 15:12, 2 November 2012 (GMT)

I was able to find this gallery online. Looks like a modded game, so I'd remain skeptical. —Legoless (talk) 15:19, 2 November 2012 (GMT)

Judging by the time they were uploaded, I'd say they might belong to the original poster. That game is definitely modded, but I can find no documentation of a mod that adds morag tong to the game, so unless he made it himself I don't know where it could come from. It sounds extremely unlikely, but could it be an accidental code leak from the suspected new expansion?--Anil (talk) 15:29, 2 November 2012 (GMT)

Here is the reddit thread where the gallery was posted. It seems that the Fanatic was added by a mod called "Dark Brotherhood Resurrection". If someone wants to investigate further, they can download the mod and poke around in the CK, but I'm pretty convinced. —Legoless (talk) 18:45, 4 November 2012 (GMT)

(←) Here is another mod that describes both the note and the assassin in it's details. Launched in May too. Silence is Golden^{Break the Silence} 19:20, 4 November 2012 (GMT)

Opinionated

There isn't any evidence Versidue ordered the assassination of reman — Unsigned comment by 70.179.161.74 (talk) at 18:49 on 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Nor does the article claim it either. —MortenOSlash (talk) 22:02, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Sorry. My fault. I did not check the edit history were it is clear you did the change. No need for a discussion when the edit is already done. The explanation is usually supposed to be done in the summary of the edit.—MortenOSlash (talk) 22:05, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Citation or Source?

The article states (near the end, under "Organization"):

"Morag Tong executioners are expected to give themselves up immediately following an execution even if the death itself would have remained a mystery, in order to legally absolve themselves and avert any possible long-term ramifications. Tong executioners who fail to do so are considered suspect by their order and may be subject to major internal investigations, as the Tong does not harbor criminals."

There is no source or citation given for this information, which seems to me to run counter to how the Morag Tong quests are handled in Morrowind. In the game, there is no expectation that the player must turn themselves in after an execution. The player is not sanctioned in any way if they do not do so; on the contrary, the player will receive a higher disposition increase with the quest-giver if the execution is not reported as a crime (and thus "remains a mystery"). Given this seeming contradiction I'm curious where the information in the article was sourced from. — Wolfborn↝^(Howl) 20:07, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I believe the information comes from this letter from ESO. "Indeed, by law, a Tong executioner must step forward and proclaim that a kill was performed legally and to the letter of the contract, thus absolving him- or herself and averting any subsequent ramifications related to the act. The Tong claims to provide no safe harbor for criminals, so any member that does not comply comes under investigation and internal punishment."--Rook (talk) 20:15, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

That does indeed look like the source of the information. Thanks for pointing me to it. I will go ahead and add it as a citation for completeness sake. — Wolfborn↝^(Howl) 21:42, 2 September 2020 (UTC)