Lore talk:Elder Council

There are numerous references to the Elder Council and their actions in the past in the text Where were you when the Dragon Broke?. As I lack a sufficient understanding of Elder Scrolls lore to discern what is relevant, and what actually appertains to the Elder Council, I would recommend someone else read it over and submit their findings. --- Booyah boy 12:31, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

Looks good to me :) --Aristeo 15:15, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

Thank you, Aristeo...may I assume then that you will be doing so? --- Booyah boy

Inquiry:

I would like to know what thoughts everyone has on the creation of a General:Elder Council category. I have been unable to find one on the site as is, and having written an article to post herein as content for this page (which I shall shortly), believe it would better suit a general tab than one meted out specifically for Oblivion. Any thoughts?

Booyah boy 13:14, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

I just placed the {{Oblivion Trail}} template on top of the page, which put the page under Category:Oblivion. --Aristeo 15:15, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

Wonderful! Thank you, I shall have to learn how to do that... --- Booyah boy 15:23, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

Inquiry II:

Researching the Elder Council has led to my encountering numerous instances of an "Imperial Council" governing in Tamriel with the Emperor; are they - the Imperial and Elder Council's - one and the same? I would appreciate the aid of a loremaster in this. — Unsigned comment by Booyah boy (talk • contribs)

I think they are the same. --Aristeo 15:15, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

Do you know of any article I could use to confirm such? If so - and I hate to ask this of you, lest it be an inconvenience - might I ask that you add said information (that they are one and the same) to the article?

If you find yourself stretched for time, I'll be happy to do so later on.

Either way, thank you. --- Booyah boy 15:23, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

They are the same council. There is a reason the Elder council is based out of cyrodiil (the imperial province) because during the oblivion crisis and the time leading up to the crisis the Imperial force or (empire) ruled most of their continent (tamriel). This is a horrible analogy but it is still a good one, imagine the empire as the nazis during world war 2. Instead of taking over the land surrounding them they instead got all the other provinces to swear allegiance to them (with some exceptions of course) and announced themselves the sovereign rulers of Tamriel I guess. So when they refer to the 'Imperial council' they basically say the 'elder council thats full of imperials' because back then the elder council acted as the authoritative body over all the provinces. Until the Great War with the Thalmor.

Tamriel

Would this page actually be more appropriate as Tamriel:Elder Council? Alot of the new material is of more general interest than just Oblivion, and would seem to belong in the Tamriel namespace. --Nephele 15:35, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

It might be. There is some crossover between games. Ocato was the Imperial Battlemage during the Morrowind time frame. Quillan^Talk 15:41, 9 August 2006 (EDT)

That is precisely what I was asking after in my first inquiry, having noted a General:Elder Council category would more appropriately fit this article, than one specifically focused on Oblivion (Tamriel basically taking the place of a "General" category). --- Booyah boy 01:35, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

I wondered as much. I'll go ahead and do some rearranging, links, etc.: move this page to Lore:Elder Council, but transclude the content back to Oblivion:Elder Council (so you can read this info on the oblivion page, but also any info specific to the game can be added in). --Nephele 01:55, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

Thank you, Nephele, that sounds like the perfect solution. --- Booyah boy 01:58, 10 August 2006 (EDT)

15 Years?

"At the end of the Third Era the Elder Council was led by High Chancellor Ocato, an Altmer who is said to have been the primary force behind the day-to-day governing of the Empire for the fifteen years preceeding Emperor Uriel Septim VII's death."

Where does the 15 years figure come from? AFAIK, Oblivion has been the last thing to come out so how does anyone know Ocato didn't rule for 50 years or get assassinated right after Oblivion? 173.66.234.111 12:30, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

There is material somewhere that says Ocato has been making most decisions since the Simulacrum.132.162.76.105 18:15, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I've Found the actual source for the Tharn Family corruption being the actual cause of the alliance war, but its Uol can I get a speedy confirmantion if its okay?

Yeah there is a youttube video I've found it does not appear to be on the Zenimax website anymore but its on the game informers youtube that lists the actual reasons for the Alliance war and it does confirm the Tharns and their Daedric worship were the reason why the alliances invaded Cyrodiil. It maybe should be made into a general article as well. Its called the The Elder Scrolls Online Alliances at War Trailer and it talks about it. Before it was listing events of Eso which did not have any of this information in it. So it has to be an Uol, so is it okay for me to use this Uol on this page and on the Empire of Cyrodiil page?.TheVampKnight (talk) 08:18, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

It's not UOL since its published on the official Bethesda channel, it would only be unofficial if it was like Lawerence's Geek & Sundry interview hosted on a third-party channel (cited on Lore:Mace of Molag Bal). This source is fine to be cited normally. The Rim of the Sky (talk) 21:08, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

So how do I go about adding it in as a source?TheVampKnight (talk) 21:55, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

The Elder Council is not the Imperial Court

Or at least there is absolutely no evidence for it, the dialogues of Ria Silmane referenced as the source for this claim although they talk about both the Imperial Court and the Council, there is no real reason to believe that the Court and the Council are the same thing, and the Court is certainly a court in the traditional sense. Therefore there is no reason to say as well that the Eternal Champion was a member of the Council may it be on this article or on the one dedicated to the Champion. So every association between the two institution in my opinion should be removed due to the clear lack of evidence of their connection, in this article, in the faction page, and in the article concerning the Eternal Champion. — Unsigned comment by 41.213.236.178 (talk) at 13:27 on 19 August 2021 (UTC)